I don't see any reason why it can't stay. Personally I don't care one way or another. The United States wasn't founded for any Religious reasons, or with any Religion in mind. Not much tradition in the motto on our currency either. It was first added to the one and two cent coins after the Civil War. Since then it's been off again, on again more than once. Our Government rightfully maintains separation of Church and State, as it should. Yet we tend to pray a lot to our Gods to protect the U.S. I do agree with xcaliber's thoughts. I'd vote yes if I gave two cents.
Quote from: Lone_Wolfe on December 12, 2008, 07:13:58 PMI don't see any reason why it can't stay. Personally I don't care one way or another. The United States wasn't founded for any Religious reasons, or with any Religion in mind. Not much tradition in the motto on our currency either. It was first added to the one and two cent coins after the Civil War. Since then it's been off again, on again more than once. Our Government rightfully maintains separation of Church and State, as it should. Yet we tend to pray a lot to our Gods to protect the U.S. I do agree with xcaliber's thoughts. I'd vote yes if I gave two cents. You are kidding, right? Surely you are smarter than what this implies?!
Quote from: POGOGOLF on December 12, 2008, 09:14:40 PMQuote from: Lone_Wolfe on December 12, 2008, 07:13:58 PMI don't see any reason why it can't stay. Personally I don't care one way or another. The United States wasn't founded for any Religious reasons, or with any Religion in mind. Not much tradition in the motto on our currency either. It was first added to the one and two cent coins after the Civil War. Since then it's been off again, on again more than once. Our Government rightfully maintains separation of Church and State, as it should. Yet we tend to pray a lot to our Gods to protect the U.S. I do agree with xcaliber's thoughts. I'd vote yes if I gave two cents. You are kidding, right? Surely you are smarter than what this implies?!Oh come on, tell me you aren't one of the one's brainwashed by the Fanatical Religious Right!? The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion. Our fore fathers founded this country because they were fed up with taxation without representation by the British Govt.Quote:Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence. Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording: Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. EndQuote.
See what you started Connie!
"Just for spins and grins", haven't heard that one before, lol. I agree with Lone Wolf (Guess that makes you just Wolf ) The states was not founded for a religous reason. Plain and simple. The encarta reference above actually spelled that much out: "Among the early Pilgrims was a group of Separatists, members of a radical religious movement that broke from the Church of England during the 16th and 17th centuries.".[/i] The US was Colonized as part of the old worlds efforts to take possession of a new bounty of land to plunder. It was not just people wanting a new place to put their churches, lol. Many countries wanted a piece of our pie, and sent boatloads of people, who among them , held people of many faiths.That said, when the straw broke the camels back and the colonists rioted and decided to split from England, it was not for religious reasons. When we were formed (U.S.), many were of the Christian faith and it understandably was woven into the documents of the times. That Constitution was then looked at, because signers did not want to ratify the constitution without civil liberties being expressed, and they decided to amend it to include what I consider to be a non-presecution clause, the first amendment. As religous people have been persecuted for their beliefs, mostly by other "religious" groups, throughout time, the founding fathers decided to make sure it would not happen in the united states on a federal level. Were we founded with religious beliefs? You betchya. Because of? NOT. My 2
