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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2007, 09:34:58 PM »

Yea I would have had no idea either about these childish things. So are we saying to just wear the X Riders patch and nothing else is the safe way to go?
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2007, 11:30:48 PM »

Yea I would have had no idea either about these childish things. So are we saying to just wear the X Riders patch and nothing else is the safe way to go?

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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2007, 11:48:23 PM »

Yea I would have had no idea either about these childish things. So are we saying to just wear the X Riders patch and nothing else is the safe way to go?

I've seen some of you guys. Definitely wear something besides the X patch!!  What the hell would you sew it to, if you didn't??? :o :o :o ;)
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 12:40:21 AM »

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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2007, 07:19:10 AM »

This seems to come up every once in a while. I decided a couple of years ago to not wear anything on my vest or jacket. No patches, pins or anything. I just want to ride and have no statement to make. I keep my rocker concealed.

http://www.coctexas.org/TCOCMEETINGS.htm

Find a meeting in your area, get on the agenda, CARRY your jacket to and in the meeting. When you are given your chance, present your question and show them the jacket. There will be a rep. there from each of the local 1%er clubs. You will get your answer straight from the horses mouth. We would appreciate that you make it clear that we are a RIDING CLUB and the majority of the members don't wear rockers.

These meetings are very business like. Protocol is followed and there is no BS during the meeting. There is a meeting here in Bmt. at the "Changing Times" on the 5th. I may carry a patch in just to show them the patch and see how it is received. I've been thrown out of bars before.  ::)
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2007, 07:32:14 AM »

I'd leave em' on. your a big boy, I'm sure you can handle your own. the only time you would probably get fu#$ed with is if you stroll up to a crazy Cranberries biker bar with a with only 1 group of !%ers. my home away from home is the Ice House in Ft. Worth. there aint nothin but 1%ers in there. I know em all and I can tell you now, if you were to go up in there for a beer or 2, no one would mess with ya. it aint even like that. now if you were to go to a bar with nothing but bandidos  or booze fighters ect..... ya then you would probably get fu^&ed with. Don't sweat it bro, do what you want ;)

Are you wearing any patches or rockers when you are at your second home?
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2007, 10:02:37 AM »

This seems to come up every once in a while. I decided a couple of years ago to not wear anything on my vest or jacket. No patches, pins or anything. I just want to ride and have no statement to make. I keep my rocker concealed.

http://www.coctexas.org/TCOCMEETINGS.htm

Find a meeting in your area, get on the agenda, CARRY your jacket to and in the meeting. When you are given your chance, present your question and show them the jacket. There will be a rep. there from each of the local 1%er clubs. You will get your answer straight from the horses mouth. We would appreciate that you make it clear that we are a RIDING CLUB and the majority of the members don't wear rockers.

These meetings are very business like. Protocol is followed and there is no BS during the meeting. There is a meeting here in Bmt. at the "Changing Times" on the 5th. I may carry a patch in just to show them the patch and see how it is received. I've been thrown out of bars before.  ::)

 I may carry a patch in just to show them the patch and see how it is received.

It was my impression that the TCOC had been contacted preveiously and that the Logo or patch was, because we are only a Ride Club, approved as long as you didn't use inclosed Rockers or a Rocker that gave a location, i.e. township, town, city, surburb, state etc.
Turf so to say.
Those of you that know me know I have a rocker over the TXR patch with my name only and nothing below. As stated before, I've had no trouble thus far (some long hard looks sometimes) and hopefully won't but at the same time I'm cautious (very cautious) of where I ride and stop to get a brew. As a lot of you have, I've traveled a lot of states and places by myself and I try to let "common sense and know better" rule my actions. I have been in someplaces that I took my vest off, went inside, got a beer and put my vest back on as I left.
I'm proud to be a member of the Texas X Riders and will proudly display the colors but their not worth dying for.

BB it's your vest and what you wear or sew on it is your business and that's all fine and well but there is a safety factor involved for the rest of the members that ride with the patch, like Jerry (QuickSilver) stated that we have a lot of women that ride by themselves showing the patch and they don't need harassment or the crap.

If you want to run a rocker how about something like
 

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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2007, 10:04:18 AM »

BoulderBlues,  My concern here is for all the other folks in our group who wear the insignia, especially the ladies who ride by themselves.  If you want to put your neck on the line that's one thing, but to put the rest of us at risk of being confronted by some gang member, well, that's another thing.  Hopefully, you will re-think your position on how the VTX Riders patch should be displayed.

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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2007, 03:12:33 PM »

I had no idea when i ordered the rockers that in showing DFW that I was claiming a territory. I have removed the bottom rocker from my vest. I do not want to offend anyone, nor put anyone else in danger like our lady riders. I really do appreciate everyones feedback. I think I will now add one more patch to my vest however from the Honda Owners Assoc. So that if I have to point out to anyone that im not claiming territory or a club I have something to fall back on showing owners assoc vs. a MC .

While we are on the subject, I was doing some reading about the rules of patches in relation to lady riders. I saw in multiple bylaws and posts that women should not wear patches at all. That they are allowed to own them but not put them on a jacket or vest. Have any of you hear of this practice, my wife is curious and wants to be cautious.

As non MC riders are we allowed to wear ride patches on our vests? I see tons of Harley owners who are clearly not part of a group with tons of ride patches denoting where they have been, are these as taboo as the back of the vest?
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2007, 04:29:45 PM »

A friend sent me an e-mail some time back about wearing patches and rickers - something completely new to me at the time. I dug around and found it. I don't know the originating source, but do know that it is commonly given as "good advice" to new riders in a couple of the riding clubs that I've been in. I share it as info only...

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These are some things for you, as a Riding Club member, to consider when dealing with motorcycle clubs. They are also things to consider if and when you are going to be around motorcycle clubs.
 

1. Patchholders are people too. They have good and bad days, they have jobs, families, and normal everyday problems and concerns just like anyone else.  There are those who no matter what you say or do, it will not be right with them.  Just like with any group, you will find both good and bad.

2. Protocol and Respect are primary rules when dealing with a motorcycle club patchholder.

If you are FORMALLY introduced to a patchholder, make sure either the person doing the introduction (or you) make sure they know what club you belong to & if you are an officer, what position you hold. Under no circumstances do you interrupt to correct a mistake while that person is introducing you or while they are talking. Wait till the introduction is done & politely introduce yourself correctly. i.e.….

Joe Rider, xxxxxxxxxxxx Riding Club, 1st Officer, Anytown Chapter.

Fred Spokes, Anystate Officer, xxxxxxxxxxxxx Riding Club

(Use your name - not your nickname. Nicknames may come later.)

3. Greet them as you would meet anyone else & wait until the offer is made to shake hands. DO NOT interrupt, wait for them to recognize you. DO NOT be offended or make a big deal if they do not offer to shake your hand.  Many times they want to get to know about you and your club a little better before they will offer to shake your hand.

4. Never, Ever, Lie. You can refuse to answer a question in a polite manner by saying something like, "That seems like club business, and I would like to refer that to one of our officers in order to get better information for you." Be prepared to answer questions about what your club is about. Such as....

A.) "We are a riding club & not a motorcycle club and have no intention of ever trying to become a motorcycle club".

B.) The Patch is bought & not earned.

C.) No dues or Dues - as applicable.

D.) All makes and models of motorcycle are welcomed. Or it's a brand specific or special requirements club.

E.) We are a non-territorial club.

F.) We are a neutral club and do not wear any MC support patches.

G.) Women riders are welcomed and in many cases are club officers.

H.) We are an AMA chartered riding club.

J.) Do not offer forum links or web sites, It's better to refer them to a club officer.

K.) Do NOT brag about how large the local or national membership is.

L.) Do not volunteer club info. If they ask a question about the local chapter answer it if you can.  If they start asking questions about the number of members, or the National chain of organization refer them to one of the club Officers.

5.  Women in leadership positions or being a patchholder in motorcycle clubs, while not totally unheard of, is very rare. That's just the way it is. Most motorcycle clubs would also rather deal with a man if there is business to conduct. Most realize what a riding club is about & will for the most part accept a woman as an officer, and a woman officer will most likely be allowed to attend any meeting. Whether or not they will deal directly with a woman officer or not depends on the individual motorcycle club/chapter. There is no set rule for this and they will let you know if it's ok with them or not.  Many motorcycle clubs do not care to deal with the National officers.  They would prefer to deal with the local or state representatives.

6. If anyone knows a patchholder, don't let him/her throw the patchholders' name/nickname/club's name around like you're a great buddy of theirs (even if you are). Many clubs consider that as a major disrespect to the whole club.

7. Watch where you are when speaking about them, and never say anything about them in public because you never know when that woman, man, or kid in regular clothes standing near you might be one of them, or a "support member". Patchholders do not always wear their colors. By the time the story gets back to the top club in your area, it will have been changed many times over and could be blown up way out of proportion.

8. Anything said about them between club members is club business ONLY. If comments, even those said in a joking manner were to get out, problems could start.  Discussion outside the privacy of the chapter can start  rumors which could cause a lot of problems for not only the chapter, but also for other chapters in and out of the state.

9. If for some reason you have to say something while in public about a motorcycle club, take the person you're talking to aside, alone, and say ONLY what you need to say to get your meaning across. Say as little as possible so anyone else can't overhear it & misunderstand what you're talking about.

10. Watch where you wear your patch (RCs don't wear colors, colors are earned, not bought) and it's just common sense to stay in numbers when wearing the patch. (Some motorcycle clubs can be very territorial and some clubs don't see any difference between a RIDING CLUB and MOTORCYCLE CLUB, good or bad.) If you are unsure of the areas or places normally frequented by motorcycle clubs, find out from your club Officers.  If you are planning on traveling and are concerned about what the situation may be in regard to the relationship with the local motorcycle clubs in the areas you'll be traveling through or staying in, talk to your local officer and ask if they can find something out by contacting the officers in the areas you will be in.

11. "SHOW THEM RESPECT." That's A #1 with them! (and worth repeating).

12.  If you already know a patchholder, or get to know one in the future, don't just walk up to him/her and interrupt when they are with other members. Wait till he/she acknowledges you first and NEVER touch them or put your arm around them like a buddy. Don't put your hand out to shake theirs; wait for them to extend their hand first. If for some reason you're not acknowledged at all, then just keep walking.  If you need to talk to an officer of a Motorcycle Club the proper way is to go through the Sgt at Arms or one of the patchholders.

13. You have to decide whether or not you want to show respect by going to any of their functions or if you want to avoid all of them all together. If you do choose to show respect and go, you can do this in a way that may make you feel more at ease by going to one of their "support's" functions instead of the top club's function (if they have a support patch then you're still indirectly showing the top club respect). But if you do go, then you also have to go to their rival clubs' function or you'll be telling everyone that you're not a "NEUTRAL" club as you said you were. (Example: If you go to the Club A's function then YOU HAVE TO GO to the Club B's function, etc..) You have to decide how you want to stay neutral, by going or not going and you have to let all the other area chapters know if you're going too, so they're not in the dark and we can ALL stay on top of things.

**** NOTE ***** A better way to support them and still give the appearance of being a neutral club is to attend only "open to the public" events that a motorcycle club may be sponsoring.

If you feel that you do want or need to go to a "limited event", then you'll have to go representing yourself as yourself, preferably without wearing any patches identifying your club. Remember, if you're wearing your club patch, you are considered by everyone to be representing your whole club. If anything were to turn sour, then your whole club could wind up with problems down the road. Also, once the rivals of that club you visited find out (and they will within a day or two), then those rivals will see you as no longer being neutral & you could be considered a rival of theirs too.

14. No CLB's (Chapter Location Bars), any territory rockers, or anything giving the appearance of a rocker should be worn with the RC patch. State flags, state logos may be worn in some areas and not in others. It's best to check with the local RC officers to make sure what is ok in your area.

15. If someone from a motorcycle club requests that you remove your vest/patch, don’t argue. The best reply is, "No Problem" & politely take it off and let your Club Officer know what motorcycle club it was so they can deal with any potential problems. You normally will only get asked once.

16. If an establishment has a sign indicating “No Colors”, even though your patch is not considered “colors”, the vest should be removed out of respect to the other clubs and the policy of the establishment.  While you may just be a Riding Club, it's only respectful to honor the house rules. Motorcycle clubs that honored the "house rules" would probably be deeply offended that you didn't.  Also remember, many establishments choose to have this policy and it applies to all clubs that use any kind of patch; they do not distinguish between a MC and a RC.  Be aware of the local motorcycle club hangouts & it's best not to wear the RC patch into them without an invitation.

17.  Do not wear your Patch into a motorcycle club clubhouse unless you have asked if it's ok to do so or have been invited for a "sit down" with the officers of the motorcycle club, or been invited As a Riding Club Member, to attend a function there.

18.  In regard to women who are with a MC club, but not in the club:   Old Lady is not a negative or derogatory term, it's just a slang term commonly used.  "Property Of" patches are their way of showing support for their man and the club he's in.

19.  A patchholder may not, and many times will not, acknowledge your wife or girlfriend, especially upon a first meeting.   

20. DO NOT touch or sit on a patchholder's bike unless invited to do so.  Do not expect the invitation.

21.  A prospect can usually be identified by the back patch they are wearing.  There are many different ways motorcycle clubs identify prospects.  They can have the rockers without the main patch.  They can actually have a patch saying "PROSPECT".  Some do not wear any patch, because all the Patchholders know who the prospects are.  You want to treat a prospect or even someone you suspect is a prospect the same way you would treat a patchholder - with respect and courtesy.

22.  Have absolutely no doubt that a motorcycle club is serious and many have been known to physically educate a person who shows disrespect or displays a bad attitude.

23.  Be aware of the behavior and attitude of the other RC members who are with you (especially if anyone has been drinking) at events. If necessary, try to take action to avoid problems before they happen. For example, if someone appears to be getting too angry or loud and possibly disrespectful, take them aside or suggest going somewhere else until things settle down. You could also let one of the officers of the club know about the situation. If an incident should occur in spite of your efforts when no Officers are present, make sure to let your officers know as soon afterward as you can. If no club officers happen to be there, then ALL of the RC members that are there need to make the attempt to take that person aside, and strongly suggest that the offending RC member go somewhere else to settle down.

24.  Be aware that problems created in one part of the country by a RC member or issues with the RC in one area have the potential to affect RC members in other areas and states.

25. The term Brother or Bro has special meaning to a Patchholder, do not call a Patchholder Brother or Bro.  Their Brothers are fellow Patchholders and those that have earned that term.

26. Don't ever touch any part of another club member's colors, which includes the vest or jacket it's sewn on.  That is considered serious disrespect, which could cause them to aggressively educate the un-informed.

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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2007, 04:52:44 PM »

An AMA patch is another good way to say "I'm NOT trying to appear like something I'm not."
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2007, 05:45:21 PM »

An AMA patch is another good way to say "I'm NOT trying to appear like something I'm not."

Thats exactly the point I was trying to make when talking about getting a Honda owners assoc patch. From how i understand the AMA and HOA by showing their patches you are making the statement "I am not trying to claim an MC alignment and am just a rider"

Can anyone chime in about ride patches? Ie...Route66...Big Texas Toy Run...etc..
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2007, 07:40:18 AM »

OK let's try this one more time and maybe it will soak in.
Can anyone chime in about ride patches? Ie...Route66...Big Texas Toy Run...etc..
All these style patches and pins are OK and can be located any place on your vest/jacket you care to place them, the more the merrier.
 
The one or one's that we've been talking about are picture  #1 This claims your territory or turf so to say. This is the one they say is "not cool".
 

#2 This one the way you have it on your vest announces the name of the club you ride with (i.e. Scorpions, Banditos, Banshees , etc.) and here again can be taken, in someplaces, as an invasion of another club's turf.


It may sound silly or childish but had you put X Rider instead of X Riders on your rocker that would have changed it to singular case instead of the plural case and that would have made you the X Rider and not with a group or club of X Riders. Like I said, it may sound silly, but if you end the Rocker over the top of the TXR patch in the singular case ( no "S") it could go easier somewhere, or someplace.  If I were you I would take that one off too and go with something different like your name, just don't end it in a"S", but I'm not you.....................

 







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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2007, 03:24:01 PM »

I'm really glad that you guys on this forum discuss some of these things, because I would never had any idea that ANYONE would give a rat's a$ what I wear or how I wear it, other than gang colors in the wrong neighborhood.Live and learn.

And, that is exactly the same thing to the M/c clubs, "gang" colors in THEIR neighborhood.....just not the right color(their own). ;D ;D
Guys, no one has as of yet, to my knowledge, had a problem with our patch. Other states have been forced to even CHANGE THE NAME of the state website, not to mention the whole membership being forced to take off their Xriders patches because of the state name being part of the patch. The closest example of this was Oklahoma. Was it because one of the Oklahoma X Riders smarted off? No, because they participated in a fundraiser and drew the unwanted attention of the local 1%'ers. The state president of the Oklahoma bunch was threatened as were others, and given a deadline. They now are known as the Heartland X riders. This IS REAL. Our patch was designed and voted on by our members to keep from having a problem such as that. To that end, that is why Texas is NOT written out, plain and simple.
Childish, stupid, un-american.....yes. DEAD SERIOUS TOO

One more thing...any problems that a M/C club has with our patch WILL be brought up at their next COC meeting, and brought to the attention of ALL the 1%er's, not just the club you had the problem with.
Think of the COC as the "united nations" of M/C clubs.
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Re: Gotta love those x rider patches
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2008, 06:45:29 AM »

I went to the COC meeting of Beaumont, Texas here in Beaumont last Sat. I contacted them prior to the meeting so they were expecting me. I took a patch and met with the Co-chairman of Beaumont COC Guardian David Cacara and the Chairman of the Houston COC Bandido Gimmi Jimmy who is also the Chairman of the STATE COC. I found these guys to be receptive, helpful and drop dead serious.

These guys are dedicated to improving bikers rights and are actively working to change the manor in which this is done. To sum it up, they are working within the system instead of fighting the system. You will see by looking at the website   http://www.coctexas.org/   that they are seeking to recruit all bikers (clubs and independents) to unite in order to get laws written and or changed for the protection of bikers. We can all help with this and will be able to help more in the near future. In our case, this will be on an individual basis since we have no structure. Basically writing letters, attending function and showing support when able.

1. The TexasXRiders Patch was determined to be alright. Also, a persons name can be used as a top rocker. This can also be board user name, as long as it does not refer to territory. Such as "Texasvtwintwister" or "Houstonvtxhoe". I would put Dusty, Bill, or DustyBill.

2. NO BOTTOM ROCKER!

3. Bandido Gimmi Jimmy also suggested that we not refer to ourselves as a club but rather as an association. This reference seems to fit us better anyway. IMO

This is not a guarantee that somebody would not get approached about their patch and rocker. It is approved per the guidelines above by the COC. As stated earlier in this thread, this is not worth getting hurt over. The gears of progress turn slow.

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