Quote from: ViciousNoob on July 06, 2009, 11:10:28 PMActually, if you purchase a firearm from any "non-dealer", you do not have to do any paperwork at all.If you buy from a dealer (gun store, pawn shop, ect.) you have to fill out a form 4473. All that the dealer does at that point is call into the ATF and make sure you do not have any felonies and is legal to own a gun. We write, if it has it, the serial number on the 4473 and store it in our files. If the ATF wants the 4473 on an individual, we must produce it. If they want the 4473 on a specific firearm, we must produce it. But when we call it in, they do not require us to give a make, model,. or serial number. All they say is "approved" or "not approved". I guess it is "technically" on file, but we have the ones we filled out in our files for audit purposes only.So in essence, you really do not have to "register" a gun in the state of Texas right now at all..THANKS for the info! Hmm, How long do you have to keep the 4473's on file? If you 'lose' a few, have a fire, etc,,, what happens then?I think it will be just a matter of time before all that info is placed in a national registry, instead of held 'onsite',,, but I can see where that would be cost prohibitive.
Actually, if you purchase a firearm from any "non-dealer", you do not have to do any paperwork at all.If you buy from a dealer (gun store, pawn shop, ect.) you have to fill out a form 4473. All that the dealer does at that point is call into the ATF and make sure you do not have any felonies and is legal to own a gun. We write, if it has it, the serial number on the 4473 and store it in our files. If the ATF wants the 4473 on an individual, we must produce it. If they want the 4473 on a specific firearm, we must produce it. But when we call it in, they do not require us to give a make, model,. or serial number. All they say is "approved" or "not approved". I guess it is "technically" on file, but we have the ones we filled out in our files for audit purposes only.So in essence, you really do not have to "register" a gun in the state of Texas right now at all..
Quote from: Scotrod on July 07, 2009, 11:28:02 AM"The proposed legislation would make the 'list' available to foreign countries,,, or am I reading this all wrong?"And this is OK I'm perfectly fine with it! I have 3 guns, you are more than welcome to tell anyone, anywhere that I have 3 guns. Don't care who ya tell. And your concern with this legislation is? I really don't care if 'country X' knows how many guns I have. What may be beneficial to "country X" is to be aware of how many guns I 'turn', meaning, trade, sell, or exchange internationally I believe this legislation will have a larger impact on gun dealers than it has than your average 'joe'. Even if 'joe' has a nice collection, (as my uncle has), I do not see this 'list' in the posession of a foreign country as any threat whatsoever, unless you are trading weapons out of country in an illegal manner. Providing you don't move guns out of the country, and you don't have enough weapons to wipe out an entire nation, I doubt that country X really gives a crap about you. "I don't believe EVERYONE has that right. Same as everyone does not have the RIGHT to drive. " Are these general statements Well, I can be more specific,,, I assume everyone here believes that not everyone has or should have the right to drive,,,, OK, then Guns,,, Not everyone should have that right as well. I agree with the current gun laws regarding Felons, and would hope that all people convicted of 'agrievated' crimes, (crimes with a gun, etc) would lose the privelage.
"The proposed legislation would make the 'list' available to foreign countries,,, or am I reading this all wrong?"And this is OK I'm perfectly fine with it! I have 3 guns, you are more than welcome to tell anyone, anywhere that I have 3 guns. Don't care who ya tell. And your concern with this legislation is? I really don't care if 'country X' knows how many guns I have. What may be beneficial to "country X" is to be aware of how many guns I 'turn', meaning, trade, sell, or exchange internationally I believe this legislation will have a larger impact on gun dealers than it has than your average 'joe'. Even if 'joe' has a nice collection, (as my uncle has), I do not see this 'list' in the posession of a foreign country as any threat whatsoever, unless you are trading weapons out of country in an illegal manner. Providing you don't move guns out of the country, and you don't have enough weapons to wipe out an entire nation, I doubt that country X really gives a crap about you. "I don't believe EVERYONE has that right. Same as everyone does not have the RIGHT to drive. " Are these general statements Well, I can be more specific,,, I assume everyone here believes that not everyone has or should have the right to drive,,,, OK, then Guns,,, Not everyone should have that right as well. I agree with the current gun laws regarding Felons, and would hope that all people convicted of 'agrievated' crimes, (crimes with a gun, etc) would lose the privelage.
We can debate it all day. Ask this: What good would it do? Like gun control, it won't prevent crime. It's a huge waste of money to make a sniveling socialist look good to other countries. Nothing more.
You know how it is Gumbo liberals have a one track mind and just keep drinking the kool aid
I have a problem with my own government knowing about my guns, I sure don't want Osama knowing about them. I do not own a lot of guns, I'm your typical redneck, some guns have been in the family for generations. I don't like this one bit.
I just love these debates!! Go get'em, Gumbo!!
I see you are assuming everyone here believes that not everyone has or should have the right to drive ---- And this is specific, this is a far left assumption OK, so you believe everyone should have the right to drive? If so, please explain why, if not, please explain why you don't, and why my 'assumption' is incorrect, even if you feel the same way,,,Specific would be blind or impaired vision -- Convicted of DWI repeatedly with no hope of rehabilitation --- habitual speeder etc. So, you DO believe every one does NOT have the right to drive,,, For you far right winger's, I'll try to be more specific on the examples I use, and not assume that the 'far right' could ever be on the same page as the rest of America And your view on Guns, I could almost go with that, except the Felons and other criminals do not adhere to the current gun laws and could care less about privileges -- they will always have guns This is true, so your argument is that because felons and other criminals do not obey the laws, there should be no laws? If that's the case, lets decommission all the LEO's, as they are no longer needed. (No offense, hipshot) I'm thinking it has something to do with Katy drinking water, rumor is they were doing a little experimenting with fluorides and LSD 25, just prior to the election. Heh heh heh! My job requires that I spend 4-5 out of 7 days traveling the states,,, It must have been a nationwide experiment!!!! for Just a little friendly bantering Please no more red letters, they freak me out The Red is now dead!
