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[FatDaddy]

i know someone out there with an 02c has had this problem..i put new cobra pipes on and its been about 700miles and after much tinkering (removed air box,replaced plugs, disconnected battery,etc...)and to no avail still can't for the life of me figure out why it's burning rich. now its to the point it's getting sluggish on start!


                            HELP!!!!!!someone tell me something or the horsey gets the AXE

      thanx everyone

[Dusty]

1800?   PC3 AND REMAP

[FatDaddy]

1800c 24,000miles remap but no pc can't find out from company if it will help a rich problem they say it will help lean issues but no definete on leaning the problem. 

[Dusty]

I added a PC3, borrowed a lap top and loaded a new map on mine. If I'm not mistaken the ability to richen or lean was there for the three stages. Idle, mid-range and full throttle. I don't understand all I should so I havn't experimented.

OK, I just found my PC3 instructions and it definantly explains how to lean the mix.
The model I got was the PC3 USB. Which I think the only difference is it comes with the adapter to power the PC3 with a 9volt battery and a USB connector for your computer.

Hopefully someone else will chime in that has a better understanding of how it all works. Mines not perfect yet but I'm not the one to be toying with it. I hope to get a Dyno someday.

Good Luck!

Bill

[SouthernXer]

I added a PC3, borrowed a lap top and loaded a new map on mine. If I'm not mistaken the ability to richen or lean was there for the three stages. Idle, mid-range and full throttle. I don't understand all I should so I havn't experimented.

OK, I just found my PC3 instructions and it definantly explains how to lean the mix.
The model I got was the PC3 USB. Which I think the only difference is it comes with the adapter to power the PC3 with a 9volt battery and a USB connector for your computer.

Hopefully someone else will chime in that has a better understanding of how it all works. Mines not perfect yet but I'm not the one to be toying with it. I hope to get a Dyno someday.

Good Luck!

Bill

Bill is correct....  The PCIII has the ability to lean or richen the fuel mixture in three stages.  My suggestion is to get one and find a compatible map to start.  If that doesn't work, then you're off to a dyno.   

[FatDaddy]

thanx guys i guess i gotta bite the preverbial $300 bullet. if anyone else has any crazy ideas please speak up soon

[RobDogg]

www.sabinperformance.com
Jim Sabin in Dallas

PCIII USB - $269
Custom tune on the dyno - $200
Excellent running bike - Priceless

Yes the PCIII can add and remove fuel (richen or lean)

[FatDaddy]

sorry i missed quoted the $500 bullet

[RobDogg]

sorry i missed quoted the $500 bullet

 

But you might can get away with buying the PCIII and using a downloaded map instead of a custom one. That will knock it back down to the $300 bullet   

[FatDaddy]

how hard is it to download a map from or to them being my idea of computer savvy is using a deadblow hammer instead of a ballpean  well it's off to ebay i go i really need alot of guidance on this one fellas so all comments or suggestions are welcome and i'll even entertain some wity bantor as long as it results in more power and less time spent wrenching.

[FatDaddy]

one more quick question is it just as beneficial to use a fuel processor over the pcIII

[RobDogg]

Well, the PCIII is a fuel processor.  I expect you mean, should you use a closed loop system (like HPP) vs the programmable system like the PCIII.

Pretty simple - a closed loop system that uses an O2 sensor is dynamic. It constantly adjusts.  However, historically the HPP could only lean out a bike, and the VTX needs to be richened as much as it needs to be leaned.  That's a limitation. However, I think the newest generation will also richen.

The PCIII allows more precision tuning but might need to be retuned when the bike setup is changed.  That's one reason some people use a downloaded map until they get the bike just like they want it.  The PCIII is a better unit overall with a better track record, but lots of people really like the HPP too.

It's easy to upload maps to the PCIII.  I ran a downloaded map for a long time, then finally had mine tuned.  I wouldn't go back now, the custom map changed the whole demeanor of my bike. It's a much more fluid power band and just runs better overall.

[Dusty]

sorry i missed quoted the $500 bullet

I understand your frustration. I can't tell you the number of times I have wished I would have left the engine mods alone, and left my bike stock. In MY opinion there isn't enough performance gain are gas milage saved by doing the desmog and all. It seems to be an endless and expensive road to go down. But, I've already shelled it all out now, except for the dyno. The only thing I can honestly say it all did was get rid of the decell pop and that didn't go away until I remapped. But, I'm one of those wierdos that liked the sound of the decell pop.
This is a link to Bare's sight. http://www.bareasschoppers.com/  He has a ton of info and some maps as well that folks have sent him for different combinations of filters, pipes etc. He's good people and has contributed to VTX owners all over the USA. Including making and loaning specialty tools. He was hit really hard by Katrina and is still rebuilding his home, so if you finds some help on his sight and you can, make a donation. If he doesn't use it, he will make damn sure it will get to someone that really needs it.

[TexPops]

Kevin, if you decide to go with the PCIII and need a laptop to program it, I usually haul mine around with me. We could do it at your place or mine or you could come up to the shop (it's closer to you). Admittedly, I'm still learning on these scooters but I been doing programming on Fords as long as they've been done and some of it should translate.

POPS

[FatDaddy]

might have to take you up on that brother looks like early next week i'm gonna find a pciii if it kills me